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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:51:00 -
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So now all of a sudden the old bounty system was something other than what it was.
You never flew around EVE and saw people with "wanted" tags on them, never, and you know it.
Being wanted never meant anything, and you know that as well, as does everyone.
Some of you are so worried about having a bounty on you that you're going so far as to rewrite history now.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
575
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:54:00 -
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Trdina Rasputin wrote:Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists.
Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So stupid You forgot that you can be WANTED by some criminal. Bounty hunters do not work for police all the time. You have that kind of stuff in one movie :D What the **** do we care about reality for, TV is so much more interesting.
I too want to live in a pop culture reality, but I don't know what drugs to take. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.12.07 15:13:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Dunno, are any of the guys you're mocking able to kick you and your corp out? Out of what?
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.12.07 15:57:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:It makes the "has bounty" colortag on the overview useless.
We need a way to filter based on the bounty amount so that only players with larger then "X" bounty will show up with the tag on our overview and in local. Personally, I'd set the default at 10M ISK. Is that 10m in general to suicide gank them?
10m on someone with a killright in high sec?
10m if they're in low sec?
What can I spend 10m on and feel comfortable knowin you're out there?
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.12.07 17:32:00 -
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Vixen Soul wrote:Right.
IF it meant (I will pay X amount for this person to die), then I would understand the "Wanted" sign.
But in reality, all these 100k and 1m and even 10m bounties mean is (haha, you now have a wanted sign). I have set bounties on players I want to die, and it wasn't a joke bounty of 10m.
That's what I'm saying. If you make bounties 100m minimum for wanted sign, than it means someone WANTS you to die and that you are truely wanted. Not this spam we see now which is just immature trolls thinking they are new and creative by putting a 100k bounty on their friends / everyone they run into.
Right now, it's turned into a game of TAG where we try to tag everyone who doesn't have a bounty on themselves. It's not about paying form someone to die. Let's make this a system where you have to pay a serious valuable amount that bounty hunters will truly pursue.
Getting a bounty on you should mean "Wow, I should be careful who I run into". Not, "Oh, look, now I'm like everyone else". 100m means no more than 1m.
100m only means that people who don't have the isk can't use the system, and that amount of isk isn't something you'll have access to just throw away for some time.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.12.07 17:35:00 -
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Vixen Soul wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote:You=everyone. there is no roleplay. sanbox isn't sandbox when you are funnel'd into a potentional for-profit person because you be seen in a chat. but this isn't limited to being bountied "only because you exist in a chat", it also applies to the fact that a large part of the free will of this game is gone now. if someone even knows that you exist, then suddenly you have these consequences on you. This changes the open world nature of the game and frankly I'm surprised no one brought these basic things up at your meetings. We're well aware of the consequences, they're entirely intended. It's not that no one brought those things up, it's that you and I fundamentally disagree on how this feature should work, which is completely fine. Right. There is, indeed a disagrement on how the feature should work. Clearly the playerbase isn't seeing this system in the way you had intended. Is this what you intended? Retribution of the Trolls expansion? Clearly some changes need to be made. Don't say playerbase.
I do not share your view, as do what seems most people here.
The only problem is that some people have some sort of strange pop culture definition of the word "wanted". To much Dog or something. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
579
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Posted - 2012.12.07 17:46:00 -
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Vixen Soul wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vixen Soul wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote:You=everyone. there is no roleplay. sanbox isn't sandbox when you are funnel'd into a potentional for-profit person because you be seen in a chat. but this isn't limited to being bountied "only because you exist in a chat", it also applies to the fact that a large part of the free will of this game is gone now. if someone even knows that you exist, then suddenly you have these consequences on you. This changes the open world nature of the game and frankly I'm surprised no one brought these basic things up at your meetings. We're well aware of the consequences, they're entirely intended. It's not that no one brought those things up, it's that you and I fundamentally disagree on how this feature should work, which is completely fine. Right. There is, indeed a disagrement on how the feature should work. Clearly the playerbase isn't seeing this system in the way you had intended. Is this what you intended? Retribution of the Trolls expansion? Clearly some changes need to be made. Don't say playerbase. I do not share your view, as do what seems most people here. The only problem is that some people have some sort of strange pop culture definition of the word "wanted". To much Dog or something. Yes, because in the world you live in Wanted doesn't have criminal or high profile connotations to it. You're a Goon. You jump on the bandwagon. I imagine if enough of your friends start not liking the system, you will be right with them. No it doesn't.
You can redefine the word when the want ads in my local newspaper are all people seeking fellon.
Wanted has nothing to do with criminal activety, and bounties are not historically used for the capture of criminals. Companies still use bounties to recruit new employees, they call it an incentive instead.
Not even every person wanted by the law is a criminal.
PS: Thanks for implying I don't have a mind of my own. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
579
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Posted - 2012.12.07 17:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:How many more times in the lifecycle of eve are we gonna have new features that fracture the database, make the Goons behave at their most animalistic, cause emergency CSM meeting, followed by nerfing the game, then everyone forgets about it 6 months later....then lather, rinse, repeat ?
It's gotten so so monotonous. A million bored yawns are to be had for all, really. Same old nonsense, different day.
MAybe EVE players are not really as imaginative as we all thought. Someone should have held your string harder, cause you are WAY out there. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
590
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Posted - 2012.12.08 16:03:00 -
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I should be able to put a 10 billion ISK bounty on someone and feel confident that if they fly anything more than a broke down rifter, that they'll make someone a profit ganking them in high sec.
I want high bounties to mean more and have a real impact on who a bounty hunter would want to collect on. Being able to blow someone up more, when they only fly in high sec, and refuse to leave the NPC corp, doesn't mean anything. No one's ganking that guy becuase he's got a 5 billion bounty on them, when the bounty system isn't paying out enough to even cover the cost of the gank.
You can't wardec AFK and bot miners that stay in the NPC corp for exactly that reason.
Wanted, and being high on the bounty list, would mean a heck of a lot more if that number impacted the amount of the payout by increasing it's percentage.
If a 15 billion isk bounty meant a 40% payout, and a 500 million isk bounty meant 20%, who do you think the bounty hunter is more likely to hunt down?
Right now, you have no reason to bother with guys with large bounties. People were being camped in station in low and null before the change, it's not going to make it anymroe likely when it's already the norm. In low and null a bounty is only an added little bonus after you do what you were already going to do anyways, blow up the guy not allied with you.
Not having this impact in high sec, and making mining safer, is having a significant impact on the universe as a whole. The bounty sytem should be the tool to correct this.
It just needs to be done in a way that it doesn't encourage widespread ganking, and involves significant ISK investments to work. I believe this is possible through scalling the persentage based on bounty amount.
At the same time it would mean being "wanted" could really mean something. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.12.09 16:54:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If a 15 billion isk bounty meant a 40% payout, and a 500 million isk bounty meant 20%, who do you think the bounty hunter is more likely to hunt down?
So you would rather have 20% of 500 million than 20% of 15 billion? Well, that's certainly not correct, on your part.
Of course I'd rather 20% of 15 billion. Unfotunetly it doesn't work that way.
15 bil or 500 mil. You get only 20% of the estimated value of any item that is destroyed. 15b or 500m only indicate the potential number of times you can be blown up, in relation to the value of what you lose.
A guy with a 15b bounty is not worth shooting anymore than a guy with 500m. You're very unlikely to be killing the same guy over and over and over and over. If you are, it's probably because you're trying to manipulate the top 10 hunter list by killinga friend or alt with a high bounty.
And I don't discount anyone's willingness to do such things. It's a video game, ISK isn't real, some people aren't that attached to imaginary currency in a video game. Some people have hundreds of billions and trillions of isk; some are even bored enough to do stuff like manipulate the bounty lists with all that isk.
A handful of people are upset over the connotation of "wanted". I just want to see being "most wanted" actually mean more than them paying out on a few more deaths than someone else. I would prefer that your bounty amount impact the percentage amount of the payout, so that people are encouraged to hunt the guys with higher bounties. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:41:00 -
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Pretty GuyYeah wrote:'Wanted' means one is a criminal andis dangerous.
A miner named Lilly Belle in a minin frigate is NOT a criminal nor dangerous. She should for god's sake not have a huge red warning sign over her face saying "WANTED" because a criminal and dangerous pirate decided to put a bounty on her.
That's redicilous No it doesn't.
There are wanted people all of the world who are not criminals. And people issue bounties on other people who are not wanted by the law. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:49:00 -
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Pretty GuyYeah wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Pretty GuyYeah wrote:'Wanted' means one is a criminal andis dangerous.
A miner named Lilly Belle in a minin frigate is NOT a criminal nor dangerous. She should for god's sake not have a huge red warning sign over her face saying "WANTED" because a criminal and dangerous pirate decided to put a bounty on her.
That's redicilous No it doesn't. There are wanted people all of the world who are not criminals. And people issue bounties on other people who are not wanted by the law. thus it should be more confidential like a hitman system, since it is the extreme opposite of a wanted system No, it's exactly as it should be.
Some of you guys are just used to the old system making an indication of something bound to limiting mechanics. You guys are using a very narrow example of a word and stating as meaning simply that, and it does not.
"Wanted" is not explicit to criminal behavior, and bounties are not solely reserved for the apprehension of criminals.
Bounties are not even historically used for the capture of criminals. You guys have some silly pop culture meaning for the word that has no bearing on the current bounty sytem, that works more like a real bounty system, and not just a policing system. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:10:00 -
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Pretty GuyYeah wrote:
They were wanted by the government, you just made a huge failure of yourself. Go on please, tell us some more.
And no, you're wrong yet again. (obivously) haha
You assume you think we think it's wrong that there's a bounty on them - we don't. We think its' stupid that there's a huge red warning saying "WANTED" across their profile picture.
but what could you expect from a goon lol
I suppose it's easier to dismiss the obvious and argue the nonsensicle when you have no argument to support things.
I agree, reality is a *****; often times it sucks.
What do you call the money a mobster pays to have a lawyer killed, how about a juror, or a judge. Each one is "wanted" by a crminal, and has a bounty on thier heads.
Dog the bounty hunter did not create or define bounty or wanted.
I always find learning new things more enjoyable. Expanding my knowledge base. Ignorance isn't always bliss. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:27:00 -
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Pretty GuyYeah wrote:
since you didn't get it the first time, nor the second I shall try a third time to tell you what we're talking about in this thread
since you're a goon i see this isn't all that rare haha
you keep speaking of being able to place money and bounty, but that isn't the topic here.
here let me dismis ur foolish arguments; 1) what do i call the money on a mobster who pays to have a lawyer killed? i don't care, this isn't the topic. the topic is that this money would not be advertised in the local newspaper HERP DERP
2) same goes for the rest of the people you mention, it would not be advertised in the local newspaper
thus,
// point, here goon, listen carefully will ya take notes if you need
// there shouldn't be a huge red warning aka WANTED across the profiles. herp derp herp derp
I hope this hoped you understand the complex context this is, thank me later and have a lovely day
/// pretty guyyeah # 1 pilot
I understand.
You're clearly bothered by 6 red letters. It's horrible.
PS: You coincidentally have a 5 million isk bounty while complaining about people being able to see you are wanted in a thread complaining about people seeing that other people are wanted.
I do get, very well in fact. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:37:00 -
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I wish you could pay money to have NPC's attack people in high sec.
The bad post bounty thing is awesome, but it just seem so pointless to put bounties on people who never leave high sec.
It's like being able to wardec an NPC corp, but not be allowed to shoot them in high sec stil.
I want to hire NPC mercenary pirates that can be used to go after these people who are WANTED in high sec. Any bounty the NPC got from killing the player, would then go towards the bounty paid out if someone blows up the NPC. Including a sum of the money paid to hire them. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
624
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:11:00 -
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How do you lose your business contacts over selling fuel blocks, and how is that related to the bounty system?
I'm so confused. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
627
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:17:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:How do you lose your business contacts over selling fuel blocks, and how is that related to the bounty system?
I'm so confused. Risk increase due to bounty on head means his "big contracts" are now too risky for his patrons. I think it's an awesome result of the new bounty system! So you're saying that he's afraid that someone he traded with will shoot him now because they can easily see that he's wanted by someone and therefore has a bounty on his head.
I got it now. |
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